Winners make commitments, losers make promioses. The Fecal's have never asked, "how may we help you?" Rather they have consistantly said, "You expect us to do that?" These people are the finest example of losers, and they should all resign. They should also apologize to the citizens of Los Osos, the county of San Luis Obispo, the members and staff of the CCRWQCB, the members of the SWRCB, and every other governmental agency they had any dealings with, and subsequently insulted. Most of all, they should apologize to their families for the unyielding embarrassament, shame, and humiliation they have put them through.

Judith, you are speaking for the true majority in Los Osos! We are fed up with the air-head statements from the four directors. They still seem to think that somehow they will overthrow the County and delay the sewer longer than they already have.

Personally, I'm supporting TW to bring these extremely poor decision makers before a Judge in October. They have always let their personal agenda cloud the office they were sworn to uphold. They paid their personal lawyers with our tax dollars and then ran the District into bankruptcy.

LO_TaxPayer, I too have started supporting TW. Not because I believe they are always in the right, but because this needs to be discussed in court.
I was incensed when, after Director Sparks made a motion to curtail spending, the motion was not seconded. Parts of his plan to cut costs included: Cut directors' salaries, do away with AGP Video, lose an employee or two, etc. All good ideas, but for the fact that his proposed cuts would save us , maybe, $150,000 when we need to cut $250,000. It is a good start ,but it makes me realize that no-one on the board (sans Joe) cares that the CSD is broke. I think the State will take over (because the county won't) and we WON"T like it, but ,you reap what you sow.

The Fecal's have done NOTHING good for Los Osos...NOTHING. The day the "floaters" threw their shovels down should have been a clue as to where they would "lead" Los Osos. Some of us knew, and have made our voices heard. For all the rest who believed that there was no way these people could be that evil, sadly, they have had to learn the hard way.
What's amazing, is that the citizens of Los Osos choose to do nothing about the evil nature of these losers. Fortunately however, ALL the public agencies recognize the fact that the Fecal's have been reduced to a virtual powerless state and can legally do little or no more damage. They also know that their ability to make decisions of any kind is non-existent.
Not to worry, either the state or the county will complete the process at the expense of small town local government.
This is the perhaps the greatest side effect and damage the Fecal's have caused, the abuse, and destruction of local government.
A sad day indeed for the youth of Los Osos........

Lo (REApraiser)

Judy, Judy, Judy says........"Hundreds of thousands of dollars are spent on lawyers each year "

What she neglected to include is ....."thanks to the MANY lawsuites filed by Gordy and Richy (TW)etal."

Then you said......."They still seem to think that somehow they will overthrow the County and delay the sewer longer than they already have.
"Please tell me how you know what they (OR ANYONE) is THINKING? If you have such a GIFT, what are the winning numbers in the next lottery?

...you further said, "They paid their personal lawyers with our tax dollars"......can you prove that because you are wrong, again.

...then to further show your ignorance, you said,
..........."and then ran the District into bankruptcy." What you fail to see is that the previous majority, Stan, Gordy and Richy plus Brucy's questionable book keeping practices, started that process then dropped it on the present CSD.

FYI...... TW will bring their ridiculous charges before a judge in September. Further proof that you don't know what you are talking about.

Wonky,

You say,

" Some of us knew, and have made our voices heard. For all the rest who believed that there was no way these people could be that evil, sadly, they have had to learn the hard way."

Could it be the "Some of us " is just you and a hand full of the real "LOSERS". And just WHO are the evil in this saga? Are you trying to say that the previous majority are saints? Get real, already. They were and are evil personified! Law suit on lawsuit for the PRIMARY REASON of seeking REVENGE on both the new board and the people of Los Osos who were smart enough to vote them out.

You will see in the coming months just WHO was (is) EVIL! The TW (Gordy and Richy) lawsuits are nothing but a smoke screen to cover the mis-management, poor book keeping by Brucy (Phi Beta Krapa) and thievery of the previous board.(notice how quick Stan left town and the lawsuits filled the air?)
Since you are so vigilant and wise, have you ever seen an accounting of where and how the $20M you gave those three "saints" was spent? Why did Brucy baby wipe his hard drive? Wasn't that CSD business he deleted? Why? I'll tell you why, because he had no accounting records. Where was Gordys credit card statements?...just to name a few IRREGULARITIES....there are plenty more things that need explaing by your pals. Clear those questions up and then we shall discuss the present board and their efforts to save Los Osos from the disaster your pals ( the original "Fecals") cooked up.

You, out of complete ignorance of the REAL story, continue to accuse and slam the WRONG people! My advice is for you to stick to you dumb lryic renderings since you don't know anything else.

I ask again, just who are the EVIL folks here?

Possibly franc4 is now trying to re-write future history as well as past history.

The mis-guided franc4 seems to have her calendar a bit off kilter as usual, but the actual schedule of up-coming events include:

September/October 2008: Draft Final Environmental Impact Report for County Project.

October 6, 2008: Trial date for the Waste of Taxpayer Funds case.

January 2009: Assessment payments begin.

If the recall Directors had not halted the project, we would already have a state of the art sewer connected to our homes, the streets re-paved and the septic tanks de-commissioned. But alas, they chose to bankrupt the town. Now they will have their days in court beginning October 6, that is unless franc wants to begin in September?

So far franc4, the only one falsely slamming anyone is you. With this new forum, you better watch what you say franc4 or you may very well have another date with a judge. You are being tracked!

Somehow, Franc seriously cannot fathom that the litigation brought forward by groups that board members were involved in that delayed the implementation of a project as well as losing every single case has caused FAR more damage then Measure B and the misappropriation of funds case. Franc cannot wrap his head around the fact that attorneys for those groups were paid for 'pro bono' work to dismiss some of those lost cases so that they could become district counsel......
If Franc doesn't have a problem with this and I do and I'm not a member of TW where does that leave me? I guess I'm going figure out how to support TW!

It's so bizarre to have someone press on with "wiped hard drives..." and "evil Richy and Gordy...." - 2 lawsuits, one that the CSD board wouldn't settle even AFTER it was pulled out of the bankruptcy and the current one which I agree with. I don't think that if I've paid my property taxes for a bond payment and the district misspends the money and then borrows to make the payment so that to pay it back, I have to pay again - is something I should just sit back and ignore. What happened was wrong. This is living in the present - you Franc are living in the past illusion and delusion of conspiracy and crazy. What were you doing in the 60's? Your paranoia is what rips at the already shredded community. It's sick.

clair,

You say; "I've paid my property taxes for a bond payment and the district misspends the money and then borrows to make the payment so that to pay it back,"

I AM living in the past....your are correct right! The past is where all the trouble started...like it or not! I want someone to tell me....everyone avoids this question by telling me a variety of issues skirting around the BIG question....how was the $20M y'all gave Stan and Company spent? Ever seen an accounting of that? No, you won't because there never WAS an accounting. And if that is a bogus statement, tell me how and why and to WHO the money was waisted, please. While your at it, how about the strange disappearance of the computer? Aren't you just a little leary of that event, coupled with the wiped hard drive and Pat the bookkeeper having CSD records on her home computer?

You talk about wasted money.....what do you think donating to the TW is?

" Franc cannot wrap his head around the fact that attorneys for those groups were paid for 'pro bono' work to dismiss some of those " That is STRICTLY yours and other revenge seekers opinion and will laughed out of court at pre-trial and TW will be stuck with another big debt. ( Wonder who's bankrolling them? The ten bucks you are going to donate won't even pay for Gordys lunch. So make your donstion hefty because they will need it.

REA,

"The mis-guided franc4 seems to have her calendar a bit off kilter as usual, but the actual schedule of up-coming events include:"

We'll see who is misguided in Sept., won't we?

"But alas, they chose to bankrupt the town" You and many others are blind (or ex-board members) to the fact that the bankruptcy started long before this board took office. Your pals (previous BOD) started the ball rolling with their poorly conceived and faulty WWTF.

"October 6, that is unless franc wants to begin in September? " (pre-trial is in Sept. at which time the Oct.6th date will null and void.) So get ready to bite the bullet!

"So far franc4, the only one falsely slamming anyone is you"....not so, o'knoble sage, simply telling it like it is. IMHO. Oh, but it is perfectly OK for the CSD to be called "the fecal four", right? Maybe you should get your moral thermometer adjusted.

"If the recall Directors had not halted the project, we would already have a state of the art sewer connected to our homes"....and your woes would have just begun.....financially and environmentally.....like spillage rolling down your "paved streets". You fail to see, and never will, that the current board did the community a great service by stopping an ill conceived, faulty and ILLEGAL project! If you folks had any brains, you would have stopped the previous majority from squandering your $20M......better still, never given it to them! Yes, I am living in the past, water over the bridge, etc. I am just sick and tired of a few of you losers and revenge seekers placing the WHOLE mess on JUST the present BOD. The only reason I can see this attitude is that you are one of the losers. Maybe you shold learn to live with the fact that you were recalled and forget about it. A REAL man/woman would do just that.

REA,

"Possibly franc4 is now trying to re-write future history as well as past history."

Wrong, again! I have no desire to "re-write" anything. I just get tired of people like you "mind reading" what motives others have and desire that you "lay-off" picking at and insulting folks who are probably twice the person you are, morally and mentally. Right or wrong, they did what they thought best for the community. They just happened to get stuck with the mess left by the previous administration. You are PERFECT, right?

O.k Franc you put a $$ value on the following sunk costs of the previous project:
EIR-final
development of the EIR
land aquisition
water mgmt. reports
water quality reports
contract/construction set up
engineering/design/bid/mobilizations required of a project
staff
beginning construction
permits - multiple
purchases required for construction
litigation - initiated by "no sewer" and "move the sewer"
meetings for the project
travel time for the project
public liaison time
reports and response to comments on reports

Much of this was paid for with the bond. Do you know what the SRF loan was funding? Construction. The loan was coming through for the construction. Project development was being paid for with the bond.

If the loan was "illegal" how come the board had no problem spending it? To me, that's like driving the get away car in a bank robbery. As far as accounting goes, the audits up to the past couple of years was "clean". The audit this year is the worst one the district has ever seen. You are correct, the ball was rolling before the recall which is why after the recall, ex-directors warned the current directors of what could happen if they weren't careful. People stomped their feet cried foul but they were correct. It's important to me as a community member to believe that directors that take office will have the maturity to recognize that there are certain things beyond their control and take heed. What is happening now is a consequence for a choice made by this board. Yes, they made the choice but they PROMISED to move the project not take the entire district down. There was an opportunity to move it and they chose to not continue with the collection system and thereby forgo any agreements with the state and the funding. The community has suffered from this decision and we will suffer the consequences. It would be appreciated if board would acknowledge their roll in this part of where the "ball is rolling".

Without question, you have to be the stupidist individual on the planet. Are you sure you aren't somehow related to Julie? The Fecal's did the community a great service???
Which part was great? ALL the lost law suits? The bankruptcy? The lost loans? The lost credit rating? The continued polluting? The mis-spent loan money? The lost grant funding? The lies under oath? The illegal use of fire funds? The illegal use of district resources(chipping without paying)? Illegal conflict of interest by selling toilet retrofits? Lying about having a project, that never existed? Diminished home values due to the deliberate delay of a sewer? Moral turpitude?
Face it Franky, everyone from the Governor ALL the way down to you, the lowest form of Feeble Fecal follower, thinks that The Fecal Four are the scurge of Los Osos.

"You fail to see, and never will, that the current board did the community a great service by stopping an ill conceived, faulty and ILLEGAL project! If you folks had any brains, you would have stopped the previous majority from squandering your $20M......better still, never given it to them! "

Well franc4, I'll agree that a couple directors could each be twice my size.

Now that we are in such perfect agreement, would you mind explaining your definition of Morality, and especially explain how Ms., or is it still Mrs. Tacker, would be considered a Moral person using your definition? I'm having a difficult time understanding how she found herself pregnate by another man while still living with her husband whom she took a vow to love and cherish as long as they both still lived. My goodness, that doesn't seem like a moral person would do that to her family, but I'm sure you have a spiritual explaination.

Now lest you feel I am "mind reading", be assured that I would never attempt to read your mind. That's why I asked you to define the term Morality so as to open a meaningful dialog into the moral and mental qualifications necessary for being an elected official of the LOCSD. We'll question technical and managerial qualifications at a later date. let's just start simply with a basic quailty, such as Morals. Your turn.

We received letters from Mission Country Disposal yesterday informing us that we will have an increase in garbage rates. This is because the LOCSD requested the increase, not Mission Country. More money for their ever-expanding group of lawyers! Add to this the water rate hikes, which are certain after the proposed "survey", and we are paying and paying and paying for this inept current board.
The current Board was elected on promises that they could fix our financial problems (among other dubious claims) but so far our financial picture is much worse than it was three years ago.

BTW: What is a "moral thermometer"? anybody?? Is it oral or rectal? Either way, I think we should "test" any candidate for the LOCSD Board, should that entity exist past this fall. I've heard of a "moral compass" but this is new to me...

BTW Complements to Don for his excellent letter to the Tribune!

It's gotta be rectal....cause they're all A$$'s!

LO_TaxPayer-
Don says thank you for the kind words. :-)

LO,

"Judith, you are speaking for the true majority in Los Osos!"

REALLY? " Majority"? By what authority and proof do you offer for that statement? Rather you should say, "You are speaking for the FEW majority of the LOSERS and LOSERS FRIENDS on this forum". That would be a more believable and accurate statement.

clair,
You like so many others are reading things into what I say.

"If the loan was "illegal" how come the board had no problem spending it?" I didn't (this time) say the LOAN was illegal (even though IMHO it was), I said the PROJECT was illegal. Why? Because you didn't get to approve it by a 218.

"There was an opportunity to move it and they chose to not continue " Just when did this "opportunity" occur?
Furthermore, how could they do anyting with the mess left by the previous board plus the harassment (disolve the CSD, for one), instant lawsuits filed by Gordy and TW,etc.? You are so blinded by the fact that they stopped a project that you fail to see or understand the MANY obstacles they were forced to face, nor do you seem to care to do so. ......and further furthermore, what are you and the other "concerned taxpayers" doing, other than blasting the CSD and picking on Julies private life, to unite and solve the problem at hand? Your so fixed on TW lawsuit you can see nothing else. If they were wrong as TW (Gordy) contends, ( IMHO they did no wrong) just how much did they pay the "pro bono" lawyers? Do you even know?

Your "audit" has many holes and questions to bother with and is irrelevant since it is just your opinion and not the actual audit....if their even is an accounting (not fudged) of their dealings.
Peace be with you in the name of Jesus Christ

Lo,

"Well franc4, I'll agree that a couple directors could each be twice my size."

Just can't stop personal attacks, can you? What does anyones physical appearance have to do with anything relevant. You are one sorry lot.

"would you mind explaining your definition of Morality, and especially explain how Ms., or is it still Mrs. Tacker, would be considered a Moral person using your definition? "

It is not up to me, and least of all you, to "define" anyones morality. Who appointed you judge of anyone? There is but ONE JUDGE and it ain't you or me....get it? She will be judged at the proper time, and not by a goody two shoes as you appear to picture yourself.

Why do you think ones private life and choices have any bearings on how they perform their duties in public service? If that were the case, there would be no one in Washington or any political office.

Morality is a PERSONAL choice and, IMHO it is wrong to judge other folks morality. God gives us all a choice. Follow him, accept his Grace (it's free and cannot be earned) or not. Because someone chooses to "not" does not make them a bad person just a person who doesn't believe....a candidate for salvation if and when they decide to follow Christ....at which time ALL past sins are forgiven....got that ALL!...thats A-L-L !!!!!!!!

So you think Julie is a immoral. So how's your morals that you can judge others? You ever done anything wrong? You ALLWAYS obey the speed limits, right? You never lied, right? You are perfect in every way, right...a perfectly moral person. Well, just by the fact that you speak and spread GOSSIP shows you are not a moral person and who knows the rest of your faults.

As for her "technical and manigerial" qualifications, I am not qualified for judging either, nor is that my calling. I'll leave that up to you since you seem to be an expert in that field.
All I know, is that at least she TRIES and cares enough to TRY, speaks her mind and subjects herself to ridicule and insults by a rude bunch of do nothing but complain folks. As I have asked so many, if your so smart and "moral" why aren't you in public service rather than just throwing barbs at people who are?

Judy, Judy, Judy,

"We received letters from Mission Country Disposal yesterday informing us that we will have an increase in garbage rates."

Of course the rising fuel cost have no bearing on this at all, right? You just can't resist blaming just about everything on the CSD, can you?....but you never stop trying, do you?

" More money for their ever-expanding group of lawyers!"

Maybe you can convince TW (Gordy and Richy) to stop suing them so often in their quest for revenge.

" I've heard of a "moral compass" but this is new to me..."

As hard as it may seem for you to belive, there is ALOT that is "new to " you.

"compass" denotes direction. "thermometer" denotes degree of.....and you can stick it in any "orifice "that please you the most. ;-)

Wonk,

Writers block?

franc says:
""There was an opportunity to move it and they chose to not continue " Just when did this "opportunity" occur?"

Second Blakeslee compromise. They were asked to float for the CSD an interim loan to keep the project going so that they could retrench and retool to a different project and they were asked to hold a 218 vote to be sure that is what the community wanted and to fund the new design. They chose not to. So we have no pond out of town, thanks to them. With the newly published information by the County, (although this was know even by the original board and some members of the public now), ponds have a HUGE carbon footprint. So you see franc, even a Tri-W supporter has something to thank the bumbling New Board for - stopping their possibly destructive pond project (even if it was by stupidity or accident)!

So franc4, now you can read my mind? I said nothing about personal appearance, only that two of the directors are each twice my size. I happen to be height challenged and a couple of the directors are twice as tall as I am. Guess you are a bit too quick to judge people. Have you ever met RIchard, Stan or Gordon? Yet you have been extremely judgemental about things of which you have no knowledge.

Now back to the question I asked, what is your definition of Morality? You have made some very derogitory remarks about three past Directors and yet you have never met any of them. You have made ennuindo about mismanagement and wiped hard drives, even a credit card statement. Let's take just the credit card item, just what are you asking? I don't believe you even know what that smoke screen was all about.

So franc4, you make little moral judgements about those you know nothing about and then try to make us accept your mountains out of a perceived grain of sand. Yet when a leader of the community shows little common sense and has some very public affairs, you defend her. She even compounds her sins by dragging the kid in front of the public to show what a wonderful mother she is. So franc4, we are now forced to put up with her and her kid because the father apparently wants nothing to do with the baby. Yes franc4, she has a lot to answer for, both in front of a legal judge here and possibly in an afterlife if she makes it that far. So franc4, go on believing anything you wish, but there are some very evil people on that CSD and they aren't those of us on this forum. Now go back and try to provide a convincing definition of Morality! So far you haven't answered anything or anyone, just your version of you as judge and jury. And franc4, you have not been granted that authority by God or the posters on this blog!

Wonk,

"Without question, you have to be the stupidist individual on the planet"

"Without question"? Wrong! I question that statement, wholeheartedly, considering the source. Who are you to place that label on me or anyone, being the person you are? You see only YOUR (blind) side of ANY situation and you can never accept criticism or the fact that maybe, just maybe, you may be wrong.

Yes, all the things you listed HAVE happened. My point is, you and other like minded, narrow minded losers and revenge seekers, are blaming the WHOLE mess on the present board. I happen to disagree, so therefore, you deem me "the stupidist individual on the planet". You are a resident of this planet also, aren't you?.... in which case, I wonder how you rate yourself ? What makes you think you are "smarter" than me. Granted, you are alot more ABRASIVE ( you outshine half the world in that department ie: [fecal?]) than me, but does that mean you are more intelligent than me or others? IMHO YOU are, "the scurge [scourge]"of LoSo(and Canada, too). But that is just MHO, not FACT, as everything you post is seen by YOU as so. (fact) I post STRICTLY OPINION......often playing the devils advocate. ;-)

"ALL the way down to you, the lowest form of Feeble Fecal follower, thinks that The Fecal Four are the scurge of Los Osos."

Really? Just more proof of the fact you don't think before you speak (write)."ALL the way down to you, the lowest form of Feeble Fecal follower" I don't THINK that at all, so why am I included in that (mis)statement.You aren't paying any attention at all to my "thinking", are you, or what.? I don't think they are the "SCURGE" of anything. You admonish me for "siding" with them, they say I think they are the "SCURGE" of Los Osos, when in fact I think them the "SAVIOR" of Los Osos....and anyone in there right mind (that leaves you out) would agree. The results of this "SAVING'", unfortunately, took a bad turn, thanks to the efforts of Gordy, Richy and TW. Now there is the REAL "scurge" (scourge).
Peace and love

sewer,

"Second Blakeslee compromise" Really? Maybe you should re-read that document as to what it provided.

Lo,

"And franc4, you have not been granted that authority by God or the posters on this blog!"

Nor have you or anyone! I never claimed that "authority". Where did you ever get that idea? "Reading" my mind are you or just twisting my words. What I post is my OPINION.

Before I explain morality, it is important to know your stand on religion. IMHO, if you are seeking a definition of morality, you have no religion and defining it to you would be useless. Together comes to mind.

You continue to sidestep the real issue, which is, why do you think you are qualified to judge anyones morality?

What makes you think I don't know the folks you mention? Do you?...or are you one of them?...no I take that back. I think you are REApraiser. He (you) is the main antagonist, gossip and critic of Julie. I think he (you) suffer from rejection by her and seek to harm her by continued GOSSIP. What she does and who she is, is strictly HER business!.....but you cannot accept that fact can you. Just who has the EVIL heart here?

"judgemental about things of which you have no knowledge."

It might surprise you of my" knowledge."

" I happen to be height challenged and a couple of the directors are twice as tall as I am. "

Nice try at covering your earlier statement . Sorry, it won't float with me, REA. If you are "shorter" than either one of them, you must buy your clothes in the Boys Dept. ;-)

" Let's take just the credit card item, just what are you asking?

Simply, why couldn't Pat produce them? What's so hard to understand about that? The two ladies had CC records, why didn't the other three, Gordy in particular. Was it because he was seen using it "irregularly", perhaps?

"You have made some very derogitory remarks about three past Directors "

Yes, perhaps "derogitory," (derogAtory) (OPINION) but, never remarked on my OPINION of their morals, as you continue to do as far as Julie goes, right? Their morals may well be fine, it's their actions I wonder about. In which case, I hold morals and actions are two separate entities. To explain this, IMHO you can be a real jerk in your personal life, but do a good job at whatever your job is.

You know something.....the more people try to present defending remarks toward my OPINION of the recalled three, the more I am convinced my OPINION is well founded! You, in particular appear to put up your own "smoke screen" by continually bringing up Julies PERSONAL LIFE never presenting anything to PROVE my OPINIONS are wrong about the recalled three.

After all is said and done, let me restate my MAIN purpose of riling you folks. People should be nice to each other and love one another, have compassion and understanding and not judge others. What's so wrong about that?

This proves my statement! In order toe libel you, I must first speak falsely ans in a manner that damages your reputation. Of course we all know, that I have done neither. You are in fact stupid, and you reputation as a feebe Fecal follower speaks for itself.
And of course it goes without saying, that I am indeed much smarter than you or any of Fecal family members.

Wonky,

" I am indeed much smarter than you or any of Fecal family members."

Woe be to you, heartless hate filled self idoler. Until your heart softens you are doomed.

PS If you feel it necessary to tell others you are "smarter" than them, it's obvious, by that very action, you aren't, but just trying to convince yourself that you are. Your actions and constant attacking others prove you are not "smart" at all. You are just fooling yourself thinking that your hate fill heart and insulting everyone who KNOWS you aren't "smart", makes you appear "smart" when in fact it just shows the true miserable nature of one mixed up booby with NO heart at all. "Fecal" is what is in your head ....a real FECAL head (1st.! class), are you.

God help you. I'll keep praying that you find the errors of your ways.